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I'll be on Approach, Monday from 4-5PM AEST, then 2359 - 0500 AEST Tuesday.
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Hi all, On one of the days at Flight Sim Expo, I will be Interviewing Callum, and he is able to answer questions for VATPAC and VATSIM as a whole.
If anyone has any questions that they would like answered, Let me know below and I'll make sure they get answered!
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1 hour ago, Bailey Brown said:
You heard of a place called Wewak? If you haven't already you will during Iron Mic Canberra. Good luck with it!
2 hours ago, William Teale said:So, seems like it would be good to coordinate availability for the Canberra positions. Would be impressive if we could keep all three positions staffed for 168 hrs each, but perhaps this is unlikely. Respond below with your available times and rating/positions desired!
CB_TWR
CB_APP
ML-SNO_CTR
Ill be on for the night shifts during the week. Because of the fact that I have study sessions during the days for my HSC the 2 weeks after. I'll be on APP
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3 minutes ago, Kirk Christie said:
There is nothing wrong with using VRC for the rest of your life, if that's what you want to use and feel more comfortable using, heck the only way we stopped @Shannon Wells from using ASRC and Pro Controller was by discontinuing it as a supported client.
If ES is the way you want to go, get in touch with the training department for assistance, they will be able to get you onto the sweatbox server.
@Tristan Garratt its great that you have gone on to try and help another division by moving to Vatsim West Asia, however, please allow people to make their own decisions about where they train, and what software they choose to use. One size does not fit all. VATPAC has a training department available for its members to use.
The reason why I offered, is because he asked for help in the VATWA discord channel. So, before you make assumptions, make sure all of your facts are right.
It seems to be a VATPAC wide thing, where people HAVE to be right about something, and they have to put someone down on an opinion other than their own...
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59 minutes ago, Sean Harrison said:
Is there anywhere a member can get assistance in ES?
See above
, I can also help you with the VATPAC files.
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5 hours ago, Sean Harrison said:
I guess like any professional training organisation we should set some pre-requisites for some courses, that is if we are expecting people to be at a certain level before starting the course. I can’t enrol in some cert iii level courses unless i’ve completed a cert ii in some cases. Even now the LLN screening mandated by ASQA means there is a pre-requisite for any course, namely writing, comprehension and math.
if we don’t want to teach people proficiency in Radar clients, do we say that? So we point them in a direction to achieve that?
i know i’ve tryed several times to get into ES, but without help i’m sorry it ain’t going to happen. So I’m sitting in VRC for the rest of my life.
I do think we have to be careful, that as clients develop, we don’t make the first step so big no-one can get on the train.
Just off topic, If you need help setting up ES for India, We can talk on monday night and I can help you. Just DM me on discord
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1 hour ago, William Teale said:
I think Bryan has a point in terms of new Controller accessibility of the network. Speaking as a relatively new controller, I found it a far bigger barrier to entry than I expected, and to be frank, than I think it really needs to be.
I might hazard the far less qualified guess that retaining controllers might be easier with more Pilot activity. I imagine there is a little bit of a "chicken and egg" case to be made there, though. Perhaps more Pilots would be online if Controllers were online, and more Controllers would be online if more Pilots were online?
I personally think the time requirements are a large deterrent. Look at any other divisions, we are the only ones who implement this.
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2 hours ago, Nicholas Naumovski said:
Tristan, not sure you've seen but, for some people life has changed whether it be school, work or lifestyle. Hence why there has been a decline in numbers. I.e. our favorite BOE777 has not been on this year due to study commitments for his HSC (I think it was) and me who has been busy with VCE subjects. Wait until the summer and we may see a spike up in numbers
Thinking about it, yes I've noticed that. I spent a few moments thinking about it, and realised from January, activity goes down, then just after Christmas, everything spikes up again... Thoughts?
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2 hours ago, Sam Hall said:
That was a very different community to the active members we have now.
14 minutes ago, Liesel Downes said:Must have been a very good night.
Correct. You can notice the drop happening in late 2017 to early 2018.
Well what is the difference? How would we be able to bring a sense of that community to the current community??
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1 minute ago, Tristan Garratt said:
Absolutely, and by the time I can log in, 8PM, both towers centres and approaches are online. The traffic is also decent enough to allow a split.
Honestly, the Sydney TMA is so much easier than the D01 or PCT tracons 😂
Also, adding on, what's changed to lower the controller participation?
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10 hours ago, David Zhong said:
Something that I will clarify is that during the period of the standing approval (i.e. MRM times), a controller may log into a Dep position instead of the App position. Where only one TMA controller is online, that controller will cover the whole TMA. However, if a controller prefers Dep, then he/she may log into that position so that when a second TMA controller arrives, he/she may retain the Dep position. This is similar to our routine operation of SNO/WOL.
The context of the standing approval is that at the time we had pretty healthy activity levels during this event. You actually couldn't get an ATC spot if you turned up after say 6pm. Canberra and Avalon were being staffed because people wanted to control. This was a way of allowing more people to have the opportunity to participate on the ATC side and was only made more permanent after a trial period and feedback from the community. The feedback supported our decision to restrict the approval to Dep and not Director.
While there is certainly great novelty in additional positions (and there was also some desire to build "TMA team" skills to better support major events), from an Ops side we felt we were restrained in that this also introduces complexity. The kind of complexity I'm talking about is easily seen in the controller documentation for major TMAs in the US (e.g. SOCAL, New York, etc... as an extreme case) This complexity must be adequately documented so that controllers can prepare themselves in advanced.
Further to Greg's comments on maximising coverage... while it is up to the management of the day to set the policy direction, I would suggest that if there is tower, TMA at each airport and 1 en route, the opening of a second TMA position at one airport is probably no better/worse than opening a second en route, but of course would depend on the traffic situation.
Absolutely, and by the time I can log in, 8PM, both towers centres and approaches are online. The traffic is also decent enough to allow a split.
Honestly, the Sydney TMA is so much easier than the D01 or PCT tracons 😂
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1 hour ago, Bryan Bartlett said:
I will keep an eye on it and see if it ever happens again. If it does, I will try to log exactly what I was doing at the time.
Did you click ANY buttons in the comms panel?
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1 hour ago, Kirk Christie said:
VATPAC specifically trains people to use VRC for Aerodrome positions because it is better suited for those roles.
When some one asks for help on a specific piece of software, help them, instead of directing them to something else.@Bryan Bartlett Section 4 of the tower training moodle, has some excellent info on connecting to the network, as well as this very detailed video. If you have not already done so, I recommend that you enroll in the Tower Moodle course, if you intend to train as ATC within VATPAC.
From my experience, the training was well suited for euroscope, and worked well. That's why I recommend euroscope, as it removes the need to relearn a system at a TMA level.
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1 hour ago, Bryan Bartlett said:
What is the easiest way to know what sector files need to be loaded for specific airports/positions?
I'm going to be the devil's advocate, but start with euroscope as it's easier to setup, and a lot more user friendly. Download 3.1D from the clients page, then the euroscope pack and atis pack.
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10 hours ago, Paul Tyquin said:
I'm so excited for this!
Thanks for your.... "Enthusiasm"
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But if App was online, they'd be handling both arrivals and departures, they'd still be speaking to the same amount of aircraft, just a lil less workload.
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5 minutes ago, Bailey Brown said:
I think having Director on would take the fun away from Approach. Everyone is stress tested to deal with vectoring and departures during sweatbox (Or atleast I was) If you can't maintain that level of traffic from arrivals and departures which isn't much for MRM compared to events like FNO then you really shouldn't be on APP for MRM.
But lets think about it, when you're having a huge departure push and approach push at Sydney, identifying while handing off, and descending, you might miss someone's vector for Sydney. I know this has happened to me before, I could handle departures and arrivals, but vectoring was quite hard and easy to forget.
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14 hours ago, Tracy Shiffman said:
There will be documentation somewhere, I'll leave that for others to worry about, but...
Approval is not required to open Departures positions at Sydney and Melbourne during MRM. However, it is common practice not to simply barge in and open these positions without prior coordination with whomever is on APP.
To reiterate, they are still non-standard positions and this waiver ONLY applies to MRM (or Spilled MRM).
Yep! The last couple of Mondays I've logged on as DEP, as Sydney tower ground approach, WOL SNO and vice versa for Melbourne, I think that opening director would be better for the approach controller. Let's think about it, vectoring aircraft to the Iva of ILS is more of a workload then identifying departures, and bring aircraft on the first part of approach.
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4 hours ago, Greg Barber said:
Applies only to Milk Run Monday and only to the positions listed in the NOTAM. I have pinned this NOTAM as it is still active. Remember that you should seek to provide a service to the greatest number of members. So, no opening ML_DEP when SY_APP is offline or vice versa. Also, no opening an DEP position when you could open a vacant SNO or WOL position. As always, and as Tracy said, opening these positions should always be in consideration of the enjoyment of others on the network which usually involves speaking to them about it first.
Tristan, the option to include more positions was considered at the time and it was deemed to be unecessary given the typical traffic levels. These traffic levels have not changed.
The main suggestion was to REPLACE Sydney Departure with Sydney Director, as it'd be more useful on MRM, rather than DEP. Nothing else would change
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As we have recently discovered, Departure can be opened on Milkrun Monday without the need to seek approval.
Would it be possible to change this to be able to open Melbourne Departures, and Sydney Director on MRM? I think Director takes A lot more work off of Approach, and still does not grass cut as much.
Also, put the notam in announcements again to remind people of the possibilities.
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Hey mate, sorry about not being able to attend. I sent a message in the VATOCE discord advertising it for you,
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Hey all, I'm planning to go out to shell harbour the day before Oz Fs expo. I was wondering who'd be interested in going out for pizza (or whatever we can find) on the Friday.
I think it'd be nice to go for dinner on Friday, then the Oz FSE dinner at HARS on Saturday.
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23 minutes ago, Greg Barber said:
Yep, because Tristan Garrett knows more about FSD Development than VATSIM VP Tech Dev and knows more about why a new server was provisioned. I assure you this is not why.
You may ask.
Tristan Garrett may know, but Tristan Garratt doesen't. I'm just talking about what I know from what I've seen in FSD documentation, and in practical uses and such.
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Hey all, I'll be down in Illawarra from the Friday, and be staying overnight at a mates house. Would anyone want to meet up on the friday evening and have dinner?
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I'll make one tonight and share the link here, if Callum made one I'll just not put it here.
Give me 3 or so hours